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could someone help me id these two coastal plants please?

P9040004 P9040005



really difficult to tell.
is the first one spiky?
The second looks like a plantain, Plantago species.
But very difficult to tell I am afraid. how big was the second one?

6 Sep, 2012


Hi thanks anyway, was hard taking photos that day because it was so bright and couldn't see the screen on the camera properly!

6 Sep, 2012

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