i think your going to have to cut right back even if it doesnt work and you have to replace them . i believe you can be quite brutal with roses and am sure someone like bamboo or docbob will know your answer .

I cut New Dawn back to about 2 foot at my brothers garden as he had neglected it for about 15yrs. That was 2 yrs ago and it did resprout from the older wood. I did take a couple of cuttings just to be on the safe side in case I lost it as it was our mum's favourite [only] rose.

So I'd give it a go.

I'd give it a go too - nothing worse than lots of bare wood with all the growth at the top.
As for the one in the border, you're right - roses don't like other plants crowded round them, they like to stand alone really, though they tolerate low growing plants okay.

I have the same problem, I have cut mine back but it just keeps on growing the same way, I dont want to lose it as it produces the most beautiful smelling flowers!

wow seams like i was right for once lol

Thank you for all your comments. (not sure if I am doing this properly-I had 4 replies and am not sure if this will thank them all-if so many thanks I will boldly go with the secateurs tomorrow...

your welcome

Sparkly, a bit of reassurance - anyone who's answered your question will get a notification that something's been added, and so will see your response.