sorry I cant Bathgate. I have the same problem with some that wre in the garden when I moved in: there are so many now that it is difficult to sort them.

they are lovely ones though, especially the second one.

That's true SBG. It's not vital I know the names, but it's nice to see them finally 'arrive'.

yes that is so true. I am amazed at how robust they are when the petals look tissue paper thin.

Yes, with a color so rich & the flower is rather complex compared to others. The bees love that little room in there. It like a parlor for them, :)

Had you thought of sending a PM to Siris?

Thanks, Siris has seen these & we have open discussion. She's helped me with many others and she would be the one to ask.