Well, the Lonicera you mention has a height and spread up to 2.5 metres, and is a freestanding shrub, not a climber, so not suitable for training up a wall. Even if it were a climber, Wisteria has an ultimate height of 11 metres or more, with a spread around 4 metres. So in theory, the metal climbing frame for the wisteria would need to be 8 to 10 metres high by 4 metres wide, made of very strong, solid metal, and very firmly affixed to battens on the wall, though if you train it properly initially and then rigorously prune twice a year as a minimum (you'd probably need to do it more often than that) you could restrict it to particular areas on the wall.

Thanks bamboo. Will think of another spot to put my lonicera in my garden. Climbing frame for wisteria has been installed with strong metal wires, eyelets fixed to wall and reinforced batons. Just waiting to put wisreria in next spring.

The lonicera is not exactly a thing of beauty when not in flower.

Andrew-I guess that's a matter of opinion! I will post some photo's of it planted in the garden.

I take it you've grown it then , Andrew..!

Bamboo - yes, I have. Great to have the scented flowers in the winter, but I felt it was an unattractive passenger for the rest of the day.

Hmm, I'll remember that - most of the gardens I've done have been typical town gardens, where 90 feet long is probably the largest, and as far as I'm concerned, anything planted in them has to look good most of the time regardless of flowers, good workhorses in other words. Winter flowering fragrant shrubs are okay, but only if you can see them from the window or, preferably, walk past them on the way into the house...

For my money, the two best winter flowering shrubs are:
Viburnum tinus. OK, so there is no scent, but it flowers for six months.
Any witch hazel with yellow flowers (I grow 'Pallida'). Plant it in front of a dark background, and it shows up, even 100 feet away.

Sarcococcas will take pretty dry shade once established, and one bush will scent a large area.
Viburnum x bodnantense cultivars are also good for scent, but you need to keep on top of the pruning to prevent them becoming congested in the centre.

Sarcococca I use a lot, usually by people's front doors if its shady enough. I absolutely loathe V. tinus, I find it really boring, but that's just me - too many years of dealing with viburnum beetle on the blasted thing, and this year, joy of joys, a heavy infestation of glasshouse thrips when it was hot... I do, though, like Viburnum davidii quite a lot, so tedious they don't label them male and female at point of sale...

winter flowering honeysuckle is an absolute treat. Ok it's not beautiful in the summer, but it certainly makes up for it in winter. Let's not forget how beneficial it is to early emerging bees.

Thank you merlinbabydog! Hear, hear!! :)

Well, each to his own...