The first is a Coreopsis and the second looks like a Potentilla.

Hi Louise1 Wow your up early.....
No its defo not a Potentilla as I have some of those in my garden and they don't look like this.(unless its another type), will just look on tintent. Thanks for the quick reply.

I'm always up about 6.30 ish !!!

If you edit this and add a close-up of the second one it'll be easier to identify it.

The first one is Bidens Bur marigold I post a photo of mine yesterday and the 2nd is a Potentilla.

Hi , yes just looked at Biden online and it does look exactly like the one I have, as for a potentilla, mine isn't a shrub its a perennial, if that helps. I have got it on a cane. will try and do a close up.... here goes, no don't know how to do it .Sorry will try and post another photo.

Pdb Shrubs are perennial! I would also say it is a Potentilla.

Hi MoonGrow Yes I know they are but this mystery plant of mine dies back each year and I may be corrected but I thought shrubs didn't. Just a bit more of a description is that if I took the cane away it would flop over and the stems are bendy, not hard like my other potentillas are.

Take a look at Potentilla 'Gold Star' and Potentilla megalantha 'Gold Sovereign' Pdb.

Thanks you Drc, mine looks the same as the Gold Sovereign. I was just flicking through a T&M leaflet and came across a Potentilla Monarchs Velvet and the leaves are the same as mine. Thanks to everyone who answered. :-)

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